| F18 Training in RI every Sunday this April #246737 04/05/12 07:16 PM 04/05/12 07:16 PM |
Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 756 Newport, RI wildtsail OP
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Posts: 756 Newport, RI | With Worlds in Long Beach, CA this September the New England F18 fleet has decided to get an early start to the season. Our first regatta isn't for another month and a half, water is still around 45 degrees and the air temp is between 45-55. Bristol Yacht Club (through F18 fleet member Ken Madsen) in Bristol, RI has graciously extended an offer to the Norheast F18 Fleet to store our boats and hold training sessions out of their club every Sunday of this month. We will be hitting the water at 11AM with 9 boats scheduled to attend! We will be there every Sunday rigging at 10AM and sailing at 11. No set time to come in, we will debrief in the yacht club afterwards. Bob Merrick, Olympic 470 Silver Medalist and top F18 sailor will be coaching the first two Sundays. If you're interested in getting into the F18 fleet come check us out, we're very friendly! If you have the appropriate gear (drysuit and etc) we would even be happy to take you for a quick spin. Our fleet averages 20 boats per regatta during the summer and we grew by at least 4 boats this winter! For more info or to come check out our training go to the fleet email group, join and send us an email: Eastern Area Google Group | | | Re: F18 Training in RI every Sunday this April
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#246742 04/06/12 12:57 AM 04/06/12 12:57 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | US sailors would be well served in practicing the Worlds course. We don't reach much 'round here, but the twin-wire spin reach on the top and bottom of the course of an F18 Worlds shouldn't be sailed for the first time at the event. Get familiar, or get rolled.
John Williams
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#246750 04/06/12 10:16 AM 04/06/12 10:16 AM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | I can't make much sense of the inner trap diagram. If you round the starboard side of the gate do you still go around the windward mark as the diagram shows for rounding the port side of the gate? I love the outer trap course.
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | Yes you do. Using the numbers from the above diagram, the inner trap would go:
Start Windward mark (#1 left to port) Leeward gate (4G) Windward mark (#1 left to port) Reach mark (#2 left to port) Second Leeward (#3 left to port) reach to finish
Trapezoids are great for multiple big fleets because you can send the first start on the outer loop and the second on the inner loop and the fleets will never see each other. Allows for safe racing for multiple large fleets. We did the inner/outer courses at Laser nationals and the reaches are definitely an area where large gains and losses can be made.
We will be practicing the reaching up here in the NE, and hopefully we can run the trap course at a regatta or two this summer.
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#246753 04/06/12 11:33 AM 04/06/12 11:33 AM |
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Posts: 330 | I can't make much sense of the inner trap diagram. If you round the starboard side of the gate do you still go around the windward mark as the diagram shows for rounding the port side of the gate? I love the outer trap course. Looks like the Inner Loop course would be: S-1-4G-1-2-3-F sm | | | Re: F18 Training in RI every Sunday this April
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Yes you do. Using the numbers from the above diagram, the inner trap would go:
Start Windward mark (#1 left to port) Leeward gate (4G) Windward mark (#1 left to port) Reach mark (#2 left to port) Second Leeward (#3 left to port) reach to finish
Trapezoids are great for multiple big fleets because you can send the first start on the outer loop and the second on the inner loop and the fleets will never see each other. Allows for safe racing for multiple large fleets. We did the inner/outer courses at Laser nationals and the reaches are definitely an area where large gains and losses can be made.
We will be practicing the reaching up here in the NE, and hopefully we can run the trap course at a regatta or two this summer. Thanks.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | Absolutely. Unfortunately we don't get to sail Traps much because they take a lot of effort by the RC to keep square (lots of marks). Can't wait for training this weekend!
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#246763 04/06/12 06:06 PM 04/06/12 06:06 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | OK, two quick question for you Trappers:
1. why the out of sequence numbering? Why don't you number them exactly as you would round them, ie. call 4G 2G instead, and then your two should be 3, and the last mark would be 4.
2. From the drawing, it looks like that 'reach mark' is going to be too high to cary the kite? Is that the intent?
Or is it just not drwan to scale, so to speak. ie. will you always be able to fly the kite after you turn at the "1" mark, to the next mark? Or is it supposed to be a twin wire high reach for speed, then turn down at that mark and set the kite?
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Posts: 99 Commerce, MI | Timbo... Not drawn to scale but it gives you an idea of what a trapezoid looks like. The reaching marks are not set square to the wind but set lower. Mark placement is at the discretion of the RC but should be set to allow a hot spinnaker reach...something of a lost art here in North America. Time to brush up on the old high school geometry class  John
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Sounds like fun, I always like a high, hot spinnaker reach, that's why I got a spin cat!
BTW, I got an A in high school Geometry, wihtout even studying much. What you have drawn in no way resembles a true trapezoid...that's why I was wondering what the real intent was, of the 'reach mark' and where the marks would be placed, ie spin up or down on the reach.
Oh, and why not number them so you turn them in sequence, from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4, instead of 1 to 4 to 2 to 3?
Miss Camp (my HS Geometry teacher) would be pissed!
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Sounds like fun, I always like a high, hot spinnaker reach, that's why I got a spin cat!
BTW, I got an A in high school Geometry, wihtout even studying much. What you have drawn in no way resembles a true trapezoid...that's why I was wondering what the real intent was, of the 'reach mark' and where the marks would be placed, ie spin up or down on the reach.
Oh, and why not number them so you turn them in sequence, from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4, instead of 1 to 4 to 2 to 3?
Miss Camp (my HS Geometry teacher) would be pissed! Damn Timbo, Your starting to sound like a F-16 sailor. How about a rhombus course in your honor?
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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Posts: 99 Commerce, MI | Timbo... Didn't do the course drawings...blame it on the race management section of USSailing  John | | | Re: F18 Training in RI every Sunday this April
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Sounds like fun, I always like a high, hot spinnaker reach, that's why I got a spin cat!
BTW, I got an A in high school Geometry, wihtout even studying much. What you have drawn in no way resembles a true trapezoid...that's why I was wondering what the real intent was, of the 'reach mark' and where the marks would be placed, ie spin up or down on the reach.
Oh, and why not number them so you turn them in sequence, from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4, instead of 1 to 4 to 2 to 3?
Miss Camp (my HS Geometry teacher) would be pissed! Damn Timbo, Your starting to sound like a F-16 sailor. How about a rhombus course in your honor? Ahhh, yes, the Rhombus! I LIKE IT! http://www.mathwarehouse.com/geometry/quadrilaterals/parallelograms/rhombus.php But...that's too close to what we are already doing...so I'm thinking...OCTAGON! http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/36100/36138/octagon_36138_lg.gif But with rules like Thunderdome; Two boats enter, One boat leaves! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRAiUPdRjk Better sharpen up those spin poles, boys! Here's a quick reminder of what a good, sharp spin pole can do for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGaZ-PO7sY4
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Posts: 1,430 california | Will 3 and finish be under 4 and start? start will be just under the gate?
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