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#259024 04/18/13 07:34 AM 04/18/13 07:34 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I'm not sure what you intended to link to - but good god...are people really "huffing" refrigerant to the point that you need to lock your charging ports?
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#259027 04/18/13 08:28 AM 04/18/13 08:28 AM |
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Posts: 774 Greenville SC | I'm not sure what you intended to link to - but good god...are people really "huffing" refrigerant to the point that you need to lock your charging ports? Yep, Happens all the time. Nothing like a good dose of R-22 to get the party going. | | | Re: A NEW Cat
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#259029 04/18/13 09:03 AM 04/18/13 09:03 AM | MN3
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After seeing the results after 300 salt water sails (2 years)... i couldn't be more impressed with this product | | | Re: A NEW Cat
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#259030 04/18/13 09:04 AM 04/18/13 09:04 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I'm not sure what you intended to link to - but good god...are people really "huffing" refrigerant to the point that you need to lock your charging ports? Unforutnately, that was pretty rampant up in Lehigh Acres during the housing debacle. Lots of abandoned houses and unattended HVAC units. I can only presume that huffing the refrigerant produces a "high" because of the asphyxia? If that is the case, why don't they just put a plastic bag over their head? Or suck helium balloons? I enjoy the thrill of driving home at night to find pre-teen (under 14) kids dressed in dark clothing sitting in circles texting each other IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. At least cats and racoons try to get out of the way... Maybe it's their activism campaign to ensure the residential speed limit of 25 mph? One kid was recently smacked by a soccer mom late for her kid's game. Thankfully the kid in the street lived (broke leg), but the mom about flipped her land-yacht (I think it was an Armada or Excursion) swerving out of the way. Took out three water pipes/check valves too so no water for a day...
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#259133 04/23/13 03:02 PM 04/23/13 03:02 PM |
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Posts: 190 | Today we packaged up the Main-sail and sent it off to North Star kite & sail repair in San Diego, to get some Reefing grommets & patches sewn into the third panel from the bottom,(remaining aria about the size of a Hobie-16).
We Got a H-16 jib for when we reef the main ; we need to practice the change-up , i think it's something that can be done while under-way, (i do that on a 45ft mono-hull); remember it blows 25+ at lake Mohave, and i'm kinda conservative. No way would i bring that Rocket into that much wind with Full sail aria (.)
The Cat is Near-Done except for sealing the Hull bolts, Fore-stay brackets, & Mast, and the rudder mount bolts, ( i glassed both the hulls in the stern because of spiders in the gel), and fixed some small de-lams on the daggers & rudders.
We decided Ageist using a Mast-float right off ; instead we're gonna seal the Mast and practice righting it in the bay at 6-mile Mohave in calm air. If there's a problem then we get the ugly Mast-float LATER.
SO, i'll be researching all the sealants you guys suggested and it should be in the water late next week !!
THANKS from : Bille and Tracy --co/owners
Ps : Tracy's wife isn't nearly as Pissed now, at the New purchase, cause his --Nacra 5.2-- got sold last night . HA !!
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#259134 04/23/13 03:27 PM 04/23/13 03:27 PM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | Be sure to note that the boat will be A LOT harder to right from capsized in calm conditions. For practice, flip the boat in a moderate 10-12knt breeze to practice. The wind will actually help the righting of the boat....the more wind, the easier the boat rights.
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#259136 04/23/13 06:10 PM 04/23/13 06:10 PM |
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Posts: 2,844 42.904444 N; 88.008586 W | Be sure to note that the boat will be A LOT harder to right from capsized in calm conditions. For practice, flip the boat in a moderate 10-12knt breeze to practice. The wind will actually help the righting of the boat....the more wind, the easier the boat rights. Uh, perhaps when the angle of the boat/sails are optimal for righting in the wind? I mean, what if the wind is pushing on to the bottom of the tramp? When it's pushing on the top of the tramp, better be hanging on the windward dolphin striker, eh? Mast floats are the mark of a flunkie, if you want to sail and everyone stays away from you- put a mast float up there Sounds like you're going about it well. Never thought of reefing and smaller jibs like the monosluggers do- I just sheet/downhaul the SHEET oout of everything and feather up a bit. Going with smaller sail area in the heavier stuff sounds like a good plan!
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#259139 04/23/13 07:53 PM 04/23/13 07:53 PM |
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Posts: 190 | ... For practice, flip the boat in a moderate 10-12knt breeze to practice. The wind will actually help the righting of the boat....the more wind, the easier the boat rights.
Uh, perhaps when the angle of the boat/sails are optimal for righting in the wind? I mean, what if the wind is pushing on to the bottom of the tramp? ... WHAT IF : if i made a Sea-anchor from 5ft diameter canvas & a cord to center so retracting it is Easy ? Place it where i can get at it to Reef the sails while in irons with rudders up ; & toss it after flipping to get that Optimum angle on the tramp . Maybe place it in a bag on the base of the Mast ? There's NO real current, (to speak of) on lake Mohave Bille | | | Re: A NEW Cat
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#259146 04/24/13 09:17 AM 04/24/13 09:17 AM |
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Posts: 833 St. Louis, MO, | You won't have much luck reefing that main. Because these mains hook at the top you can't really reef the main. The problem is the main will pull out of the comptip track when it's reefed. Only thing you could try would be to install a second hook but I doubt that will work.
If you just tie a line to the top of the main that will hook on the top of the mast, the main will pull right out of the mast track.
Also releasing a main and getting it to rehook in big seas and big wind is a recipe for problems. Only way I would do it is if I pulled up on land to make the change.
I owned an H20 for a number of years.
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#259147 04/24/13 09:32 AM 04/24/13 09:32 AM |
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Posts: 337 Arizona | As for righting, get Rick's book on cat sailing, the yellow one in his store on this site, has very good directions of exactly what to do to right your boat. You don't need a sea anchor, you have a mast and main to create drag and the tramp becomes your sail(pushes your hulls down wind). Biggest problem you will have is either an un sealed mast , or the wind pushing the hulls and tramp (your new sail) over the main and mast(your sea anchor). A good move is, upon capsize WITH THE MAST DIRECTLY DOWN WIND, to have your crew swim IMMEDIATELY to the tip o the mast and keep it from going down. The main and mast act like a scoop when directly down wind and the hulls can get blown over the top of them pretty quickly. You need to release the main sheet AND THE DOWNHAUL! FAST!! He swims the tip of the mast to the side. Which ever side it "wants" to go to. Which ever side he goes to, you are on the lower hull with the righting line in hand , and you move your weight to the opposite end of the boat to create drag to help the mast come around to downwind. Then right according to Ricks book. Get Ricks book!
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#259149 04/24/13 09:42 AM 04/24/13 09:42 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | As for righting, get Rick's book on cat sailing, the yellow one in his store on this site, has very good directions of exactly what to do to right your boat. You don't need a sea anchor, you have a mast and main to create drag and the tramp becomes your sail(pushes your hulls down wind). Biggest problem you will have is either an un sealed mast , or the wind pushing the hulls and tramp (your new sail) over the main and mast(your sea anchor). A good move is, upon capsize WITH THE MAST DIRECTLY DOWN WIND, to have your crew swim IMMEDIATELY to the tip o the mast and keep it from going down. The main and mast act like a scoop when directly down wind and the hulls can get blown over the top of them pretty quickly. You need to release the main sheet AND THE DOWNHAUL! FAST!! He swims the tip of the mast to the side. Which ever side it "wants" to go to. Which ever side he goes to, you are on the lower hull with the righting line in hand , and you move your weight to the opposite end of the boat to create drag to help the mast come around to downwind. Then right according to Ricks book. Get Ricks book! Actually, a sea anchor is a great thing to have. The formula boats have a tendency to want to turn downwind after righting even if you have properly eased everything. At least hypothetically, the sea anchor will help park the boat so it doesn't take off while your crew (who fractured a rib in the capsize) drifts in the water while you use every drop of remaining energy to hang on to the rudder in Charleston Harbor while careening toward an anchored race committee boat, then an active dredge, and then a sea wall before it luckily comes upon a sand bar where you can dig in your heals and drag the boat into the wind and get it to stop while you catch your breath and sigh with relief. Not that that ever happened or anything.
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#259153 04/24/13 10:16 AM 04/24/13 10:16 AM |
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Mast floats are the mark of a flunkie, if you want to sail and everyone stays away from you- put a mast float up there
my new starting strategy for a clean lane... put a mast float on the boat... 
Jay
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#259163 04/24/13 03:07 PM 04/24/13 03:07 PM |
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Posts: 190 | ... Only thing you could try would be to install a second hook but I doubt that will work.
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I owned an H20 for a number of years.
A second hook should work ; so should an Extension from the existing hook to the top of the sail. I like the second hook Better ! If the sail pulls out i will make a carbon section on that track spot. What diameter and weight cloth do they use on those Sea-Anchors ? Bille | | |
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