As I said, DAVID, we're having a longer, colder than usual winter here.
And some have sunshine and 70's.
I'm not trying to debate anything.

Sorry you're bored.

I just got back from taking my 10 yr. old tubing at the awesome sledding hills near our home. We took a hike on the forzen pond, identifying animal tracks in the snow and watching three rather large Deer meander near the sledding hill.

When life gives you lemons.....

nature's cool. We have several deer who enjoy the shrubbery planted at our community entrance.

Had several black bears rummaging through our garbage a few weeks ago, and two separate spottings of a coyote and a florida panther (later hit and killed on I-75)

Alligator in every pond (and a few swimming pools if you're not careful), birds everywhere... rainbows and unicorns!

Ironically enough, however, I have yet to see the giant boa constrictors that are roaming around. Not that I'm looking for them but....

And judging from the amount of bird poop that piled up this week on the deck of my boat, the Herons are back.

Do those dummy owls work?

National Geographic presents If All The Ice Melted

If anyone truly believed in man made climate change they would organize an underground movement where on one day they would all go out and kill every single human they saw. Culling the population is the only viable solution. Anyone doing less than that is just trying to make a buck off the hype.

Spoken like a true mass murderer. Have you ever considered a complete neurological workup?

Just finished reading a book with exactly that plot: VIRUS

Culling the population is the "only" solution? It's not, really. There are tons of talked about options including things to counteract the atmospheric aspects that are contributing to the issue...but they may have unintended consequences so most of those are last ditch efforts should the situation become dire. We probably can still do some stuff to minimize the extent of the damage - but many big businesses are pumping cash into the political system to keep that from affecting their interests.

Welp, if you can convince almost eight billion people to pretend it's 1725 that could work, but I think that's a hard sell.

Terry, who's the author? A Google search is kinda like looking for a needle in a pile of needles.

CORRECTION:

Title: SICK (A Project Eden Thriller)
Author: Brett Battles


Pretty good read.

hah...true.

Are you concerned with Cascading System Failures Todd? Of course you aren't.

Population reduction (to save the world) also the basic plotline of Dan Brown's (The DaVinci Code) latest book, Inferno. It's an OK read - kind of typical Dan Brown / Robert Langdon story.

Even if global warming isn't a man made problem, reducing pollution cant hurt.
Just look at the mess China is in, not looking forward to wearing a gas mask when going out the door:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/01/chinas-toxic-sky/100449/

There are some companies who are making an effort to reduce CO2 emissions, like Apple which uses a lot of renewable power for its datacenters.
Something not everyone is too happy about: http://mashable.com/2014/02/28/apple-ceo-tim-cook-climate-change/

Personally I think the technology that comes out of the sustainability problem is amazing, like this concept car that runs on salt water:

http://www.nanoflowcell.com/

I would agree with you there, while I am not convinced that climate change is a man-made problem, we certainly could do much more on an Individual level to reduce pollution overall. Reducing our consumption of junk, trash and disposable materials would go a long ways in reducing pollution from manufacturing these things or pollution from throwing them in the dump.

I think the challenges to changing behavior are severalfold:

- results of current conservation activities will likely not be seen in our lifetime
- costs are generally higher (because most current behavior is subsidized - like fuel or landfills)
- you're asking people to reduce consumption which flies in the face of every dollar spent on advertising in the world (which is probably some go-zillion dollars)

So, despite our supreme intelligence we're still behaving like a virus.

Also, isn't the top tier of any food chain the most likely to go extinct? Lions, raptors, dinosaur, etc?

I'll say. Life expectancy in the EU was in the low 20's. Yikes! (ref here)

The other gotcha with going Amish on a large scale is a biggie: Methane. All those horses and cows aren't going to be greenhouse neutral.

End of the day, there is no free lunch. Do the best you can to live efficiently and move on.

Is average global temperature increasing? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums...in_GISS_annual_temperature_anomalies.gif

Is Sea ice melting? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/naam-ice-07.jpg

Are glaciers melting? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/glacier_mass_loss2.gif

Is CO2 concentrations rising? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/mlo_record.png

Is Sea level rising? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums...4acb285d2790483afcbbb2ed130ceb2ccf9e.jpg

Are oceans warming? Yes.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/ocean_heat_content.gif

Is this uncommon? No. These same occurrences have been happening for millions of years, long before humans.
http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc445/Kevin_Easton1988/vostok_temp1.gif

Debate the cause, not the facts. "Climate change" is real, "global warming" (see the chart) is real. It happened before humans, it will happen after human. It's a common ocurance.

Another interesting perspective on "climate change" can come from Antarctica's history and plate tectonics.

Antarctica was once covered by 1,000s of square miles of dense hardwood forest. When it became isolated from it's separation from south America, a dominant circumpolar current formed around it. The current prevented warm air and water from flowing pole-ward (think of a force field). As a result, Antarctica began to cool and ice started to form. This promoted a positive feedback loop (run away effect) in which the more ice that formed, the more light (IR) was reflected back to space, causing it to cool further. Now that sea ice is melting, there is less surface area to reflect light and more ocean surface to absorb heat. So now, we have a positive feedback in the opposite direction. This is why polar regions are warming fast than other regions on Earth.

Now think about how "climate" would have "changed" when the Atlantic ocean didn't exist (Pangaea- Think Gulf Stream) or when India was not apart of the Eurasian continent. The rain shadow north of the Himalaya's has caused vast desert-land on what is known as the Tibet Plateau.

And Vegas has bin WARMER than normal .
So i could go the Other way .
What was the title of this Thread once again ??

Re: Climate Change? Yea right, todays house pic...
with a picture of your snow covered house .

OMG ,i think there may be a lack of cognitive thinking
here...

Yes : "Nut-case" !!

Bille

The facts..... plain and simple....

no political input / no biased greeny tree hugger BS / no redneck cwap /....



just ALL the facts & presented so that everyone can understand


Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI&feature=relmfu

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8&feature=relmfu

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY&feature=fvwrel

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno




Now you can decide