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Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo #271269 04/09/14 11:07 AM 04/09/14 11:07 AM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 190 B Bille OP member
Bille OP member B Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 190	Scheurer G7 Looks like another foiling design ; should be getting cheaper to buy, with more competition entering the market ? http://www.catsailingnews.com/2014/04/a-class-new-scheurer-g7-foiling-mode.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjHDuILoXpc Bille Last edited by Bille; 04/09/14 11:08 AM.

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Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271271 04/09/14 11:54 AM 04/09/14 11:54 AM
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake Carpal Tunnel
Jake Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina	Oh my mind...camera zoom should never be used on an unstable platform. Jake Kohl

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Jake] #271274 04/09/14 04:00 PM 04/09/14 04:00 PM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 190 B Bille OP member
Bille OP member B Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 190	Originally Posted by Jake Oh my mind...camera zoom should never be used on an unstable platform. It pains me to say this, (cause i think "Your" just as Unstable as the camera used in this film ) But YEA, i also got sea-sick watching the video. Still though, solo on this machine, looks to be WAY more fun , than solo on a Moth ? Bille

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271275 04/09/14 04:25 PM 04/09/14 04:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger Carpal Tunnel
Karl_Brogger Carpal Tunnel Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn	Originally Posted by Bille Still though, solo on this machine, looks to be WAY more fun , than solo on a Moth ? If I were given either for free, I wouldn't complain. Given the choice between the two? Tough call for me. Probably the cat, just because I don't live in a great place to be sailing a Moth. I'm boatless.

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Karl_Brogger] #271276 04/09/14 05:06 PM 04/09/14 05:06 PM
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake Carpal Tunnel
Jake Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina	I don't know...the moth seems to be a more efficient platform for foiling. Half as many foils, smaller, lighter. I suppose that maybe the cat is better suited for the upper speed end of things (once they get better stability through design) but the moth is going to be foiling at lower wind ranges. Jake Kohl

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271277 04/09/14 05:07 PM 04/09/14 05:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 382 SE MI / NE IN rehmbo enthusiast
rehmbo enthusiast Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 382 SE MI / NE IN	Somehow I imagine sailing a moth is a bit like riding a unicycle: A great way to hurt yourself. Doesn't mean I don't want to try Last edited by rehmbo; 04/09/14 05:08 PM. Jeff R H18, C2 USA1193 cramsailing.com crescentsail.com

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271278 04/09/14 05:17 PM 04/09/14 05:17 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 774 Greenville SC bacho old hand
bacho old hand Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 774 Greenville SC	Also, you can buy used foiling moths under $7k which doesn't get you much of an A-cat, much less a foiling one.

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271279 04/09/14 06:08 PM 04/09/14 06:08 PM
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. Team_Cat_Fever Carpal Tunnel
Team_Cat_Fever Carpal Tunnel Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C.	You can get it for 7k but you won't be competitive at that price and you can't sail in less than 4 or 5 feet of water ever. Well I guess you could as long as you were foiling and didn't come down. "I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!" The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271289 04/10/14 07:57 AM 04/10/14 07:57 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 302 Daytona Beach Florida O orphan enthusiast
orphan enthusiast O Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 302 Daytona Beach Florida	Not sure if you want to sail any foiling craft in less than 4/5 ft of water. Somehow I think launching a foiling cat solo would be a major pain in the butt. Not like you can leave it while you take the cattraks back to shore. It's almost like there would always have to be ground crew. Where as a moth you just pick it up and carry it into the water. To me these boats are only suitable for lake/bay sailing because no way you are going to launch/land in the surf. And in a good swell these things are going to launch off every other wave. Because of this I tend to think of them as a small cat not a beach cat.

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271290 04/10/14 08:15 AM 04/10/14 08:15 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger Carpal Tunnel
Karl_Brogger Carpal Tunnel Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn	I don't see how getting it into the water is different from any other cat. You need to do something with the boat while your dealing with the cat-trax no matter what. I'm boatless.

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: orphan] #271292 04/10/14 09:45 AM 04/10/14 09:45 AM
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL waterbug_wpb Carpal Tunnel
waterbug_wpb Carpal Tunnel Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL	Originally Posted by orphan Not sure if you want to sail any foiling craft in less than 4/5 ft of water. or weeds, or turtles, or jellyfish, or... Jay

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: waterbug_wpb] #271293 04/10/14 09:53 AM 04/10/14 09:53 AM
Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... catman Pooh-Bah
catman Pooh-Bah Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,658 Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus...	Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb Originally Posted by orphan Not sure if you want to sail any foiling craft in less than 4/5 ft of water. or weeds, or turtles, or jellyfish, or... Manatee's. Have Fun

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Jake] #271294 04/10/14 10:11 AM 04/10/14 10:11 AM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 190 B Bille OP member
Bille OP member B Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 190	Originally Posted by Jake ... I suppose that maybe the cat is better suited for the upper speed end of things (once they get better stability through design) ... Had to stand up, and view that video from 4-ft away, in-order to not get sick. Once i watched how stable this Lil cat was,(at speed); i was SOLD !! SO -- i looked up the specification for the A-class cat on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_A-class_catamaran Currently the main A-Class class rules are:[3] Min overall boat weight : 75 kg Max overall boat length : 5.49 m (= still the old IYRU rule) Max overall boat width : 2.30 m (= still the old IYRU rule) Max sail area incl. mast : 13.94 m2 (= still the old IYRU rule) I got to say : "I'm impressed" ! How can a Guy make a 19-ft cat , (fully rigged) for only 165 Lb ? I could basically, pick up the entire boat by myself,if i could find a balance point !! I think that is where the High-Cost comes from, That machine would need to be made of carbon or Spectra, to be competitive. If 75kg is there target weight ; wonder what the actual weight of the competitive ones are ? Bille

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271295 04/10/14 10:39 AM 04/10/14 10:39 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA T tshan old hand
tshan old hand T Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA	Originally Posted by Bille If 75kg is there target weight ; wonder what the actual weight of the competitive ones are ? Pretty sure it is going to be 75kg or very close to it. Tom

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271296 04/10/14 10:58 AM 04/10/14 10:58 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 302 Daytona Beach Florida O orphan enthusiast
orphan enthusiast O Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 302 Daytona Beach Florida	Difference in launching solo is I can pull the tracks and leave it on the hard(1 to 2 inches of water) then pull/float it on the waves to deeper water. Last edited by orphan; 04/10/14 10:58 AM.

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271297 04/10/14 01:24 PM 04/10/14 01:24 PM
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake Carpal Tunnel
Jake Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina	Originally Posted by Bille Originally Posted by Jake ... I suppose that maybe the cat is better suited for the upper speed end of things (once they get better stability through design) ... Had to stand up, and view that video from 4-ft away, in-order to not get sick. Once i watched how stable this Lil cat was,(at speed); i was SOLD !! SO -- i looked up the specification for the A-class cat on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_A-class_catamaran Currently the main A-Class class rules are:[3] Min overall boat weight : 75 kg Max overall boat length : 5.49 m (= still the old IYRU rule) Max overall boat width : 2.30 m (= still the old IYRU rule) Max sail area incl. mast : 13.94 m2 (= still the old IYRU rule) I got to say : "I'm impressed" ! How can a Guy make a 19-ft cat , (fully rigged) for only 165 Lb ? I could basically, pick up the entire boat by myself,if i could find a balance point !! I think that is where the High-Cost comes from, That machine would need to be made of carbon or Spectra, to be competitive. If 75kg is there target weight ; wonder what the actual weight of the competitive ones are ? Bille My 13 year old Kevlar constructed, aluminum beamed Boyer MKIV was only 6 pounds over minimum weight. It's actually not that hard to build to minimum for that class and the boats are durable (i.e I was sailing a 13 year old boat). Jake Kohl

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271298 04/10/14 03:04 PM 04/10/14 03:04 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 712 mikekrantz old hand
mikekrantz old hand Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 712	Most of the new boats are 2kg under to allow for weight gain over time. And like Jake said, they are much more durable than you think. As long as you don't run them into anything, they hold up well.

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271323 04/11/14 12:48 PM 04/11/14 12:48 PM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 190 B Bille OP member
Bille OP member B Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 190	After i read that, i took a camera and pointed it towards the front X-Beam on my Hobie 21se through the access hole ... OMG !!! --- there wasn't even a FULL bulkhead in that spot where the Beam & Hull tie together ; i was blown away, because i know my 21 is strong. I've seen pictures of the Hobie 20 split in 1/2 near that spot, but not the 21. SO now, i'm thinking : we need Someone to develop a foiling 14 or 15ft cat, for the single handed sailor ; something car-top-able, in the 40 to 50Kg range, ... and under $15-K. HA !!! Bille

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271330 04/11/14 05:13 PM 04/11/14 05:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo Carpal Tunnel
Timbo Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida.	There are foiling windsurfers now, and foiling kite boards, that would be easier and cheaper than building a new 15 foot foiler. Blade F16 #777

Re: Scheurer G7 -- another foiling design, that can be done solo [Re: Bille] #271331 04/11/14 05:14 PM 04/11/14 05:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo Carpal Tunnel
Timbo Carpal Tunnel Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida.	There are foiling windsurfers now, and foiling kite boards, that would be easier and cheaper than building a new 15 foot foiler. Blade F16 #777

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