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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | Bad idea for a fleet of mixed singlehanded and two up boats. Stick with windward/leeward with an even number of legs.
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Posts: 3,969 | I answered that above, Bert. I've been running various styles of trapezoids for longer than I can remember for monohull fleets. They're perfect for cats. As for the AC courses, time will tell how much demand we see at the regatta. Singlehanded boats can't handle a reach or trapezoid? Really, Karl????? Mike | | | Re: F 16 Worlds about to get rolling in Newport
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I answered that above, Bert. I've been running various styles of trapezoids for longer than I can remember for monohull fleets. They're perfect for cats. As for the AC courses, time will tell how much demand we see at the regatta. Singlehanded boats can't handle a reach or trapezoid? Really, Karl????? Mike You ever raced a single handed, high performance, light weight spinnaker cat on a tight reach Mike? It's a lot of work, with no extra hands to help.
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | Handle it okay. But the performance difference without the jib and without another body on the wire is a bit disparaging.
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Posts: 1,430 california | no F16 here but I did like the trapezoid at the F18 worlds and the reach finish at Sarasota. This can happen if not careful. ![[Linked Image]](https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10300960_10203183874570517_8612263684477788967_n.jpg) 3
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | One of several mysteries of the class rules...
What would you guys think of speed runs like in the ACWS?
Mike I feel the sloop vs. uni thing works fine so long as it is windward/leeward and there's an even number of legs. Some conditions certainly favor one setup more than the other, but for the most part it works. Get a uni boat to really haul butt is tough though, that really tiny jib makes a huge difference there as does the ballast on a reach. I speed run would be fun.
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I answered that above, Bert. I've been running various styles of trapezoids for longer than I can remember for monohull fleets. They're perfect for cats. As for the AC courses, time will tell how much demand we see at the regatta. Singlehanded boats can't handle a reach or trapezoid? Really, Karl????? Mike You ever raced a single handed, high performance, light weight spinnaker cat on a tight reach Mike? It's a lot of work, with no extra hands to help. And who's fault is that?
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Posts: 5,525 | I answered that above, Bert. I've been running various styles of trapezoids for longer than I can remember for monohull fleets. They're perfect for cats. As for the AC courses, time will tell how much demand we see at the regatta. Singlehanded boats can't handle a reach or trapezoid? Really, Karl????? Mike You ever raced a single handed, high performance, light weight spinnaker cat on a tight reach Mike? It's a lot of work, with no extra hands to help. E-ZAY BIG GUY!
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | What happened to these guys they ok? 25 Ben Brown/Andrew Wilkenson
Broke a daggerboard which then cracked their trunk. Should be sailing today. Bummed for them.
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Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA | Looks like Ravi/Sam have recovered nicely from a breakdown in Race 1 (just assuming from the scoring line).
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | Broke their spin halyard in race one. Started race two late, apparently too late for the RC. They were launched in races 3 and 4, impressive sailing.
Just saw an amendment that they added a course 7 and 8 for today. Would prefer longer legs instead of 4 laps!
Edit: Spin halyard block
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Posts: 490 | Hey Jeff,
I believe that is Keenan Madewell (not Maxwell), from St. Andrews Bay Yacht Club, in Panama City. Katie is from Miami Yacht Club or Ft Lauderdale Yacht Club, if my AARP memory serves me.
I hope all is going well, and the Red Gear tent is rockin', as usual:-) I wish you, David, and Ravi, well, but we gotta root for our home (GYA) boy, Keenan.
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Posts: 3,969 | Updated scores are up: http://f16worlds2014.org/assets/F16%20Worlds%20Results%202.pdfRedress given to Robert Brunger due to damage sustained in a collision with another boat. Four more races today, quite shifty and challenging for all. Somewhat lighter breeze, with enough puffs and shifts to keep everyone on their toes. Regarding all of the alphabet soup, paraphrasing the very wise class leadership, the first rule about Fight Club is... Suffice it to say, challenging conditions have caused a number of breakdowns, both physically and mentally. Two days in, two rescue swimmers needed to help right boats (one was a local Hobie 16 sailor, friend of mine). Lots of cool wipeouts, and some separated crews. A great job by all of the RC boats keeping up with the mayhem. Several competitors who were done yesterday came out in wetsuits to help on RC boats today. There are two great coaches who are also invaluable this week: Jill Nickerson and her team from Red Gear Racing, and Jim Zellmer who is currently coaching in Sarasota, but has been a longtime racer in New England. For the past two days, a rather large (moored) tanker has taken some options away regarding course length (and affecting number of laps). Jeff thinks sailing around this thing is fun, no one followed... It's scheduled to depart in about an hour from now, shouldn't be a problem on Thursday. Forecast is a bit dicey (rain/lightning), we'll see how it shapes up in the morning. We've had one sailor in the group actually ask/beg us to go to five races per day yesterday and today to get ahead of schedule for the pending weather. She was the only competitor who felt that way... Eight races completed. Seven more races in the schedule. They get another discard after one more race. Apologies for not posting live updates from the water. We've had our hands full, and are fully committed to the quality of the races. Mike | | |
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