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#277175 01/22/15 11:24 AM 01/22/15 11:24 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | That is an interesting idea. Structurally, that's not a great place to have a gigantic hole but if it was built strong enough without being over minimum weight it would be pretty neat to operate.
It's not a modification that you could retrofit without adding weight to a boat that's already at (or above) minimum, though.
One other minor drawback...distance racing or other forms of racing/sailing where you need to hoist on a port tack.
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#277178 01/22/15 12:14 PM 01/22/15 12:14 PM |
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Seems like it could gain a lot of water weight in short steep chop (Corpus Christy). Looks like an idea better left on the drawing board.
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#277180 01/22/15 12:57 PM 01/22/15 12:57 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Looks like a pitchpole waiting to happen. Perhaps this boat is fully foiling? How so?
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#277183 01/22/15 04:58 PM 01/22/15 04:58 PM |
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Posts: 586 Hobart, Tasmania, Oz. | The boats were about 5 kilos over min weight, which was about normal for the fleet as most boats were over by 3-8 kilos. the heaviest boat in the fleet comes in at 196.8kg!!!
blowing 15-20 with driving rain, the forecast is for solid rain until tomorrow afternoon.
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#277189 01/22/15 07:49 PM 01/22/15 07:49 PM |
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Posts: 554 Boston, Ma | I wouldn't be very happy if my new boat was 5kg overweight!
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#277195 01/23/15 07:28 AM 01/23/15 07:28 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I can see how hoisting it over starboard would be quite smooth, but what about dousing over port? Wouldn't the sail be literally pulled over the jib/forestay? Or is there a similar hole in the other hull? Going upwind the extra weight of the wet sail could be beneficial though.
Any ideas if this is even class legal? I haven't re-read the rules with this in mind but I can't think of anything that would prohibit using this kind of snuffer. Honestly, the snuffers we all use now require some degree of dragging the kite across the forestay and bridle. It probably makes that a little worse but it's probably do-able.
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#277196 01/23/15 08:20 AM 01/23/15 08:20 AM |
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | It's not like the snuffers we use do anything to keep water off the spinnaker either.
I'm boatless.
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#277197 01/23/15 09:01 AM 01/23/15 09:01 AM | MN3
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Unregistered | i dont agree water flys up my bows and i can sink my bows into the water up to the front beam ... that would fill that snuffer my snuffer never gets that type/amount of water being thrown on it It's not like the snuffers we use do anything to keep water off the spinnaker either. | | | Re: New snuffer idea.
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#277201 01/23/15 09:28 AM 01/23/15 09:28 AM |
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | I guess results may vary on that. I've had to park out and wrap a bungee around the bag to keep the spinnaker from being washed out the back on an early SNU because the water was so rough. That was on Lake Superior, and the only time I'd had to do that. It's pretty common for my bag to have water sitting in it when I pull the spinnaker out on the beach though. A spinnaker in good racing shape, the fabric won't hold any water. It goes up, and one flap or shudder later it's dry. That doesn't mean it doesn't carry water when its wrinkled up in a tube or bag though.
Rich posted this on Facebook and I commented on it. I see dousing on port as being very difficult. I'm not sure how wise it is to have the retrieval point behind the bridle and forestay either. The other thing is Marstrom played with, and I think some of the early Hobie Tigers came with a composite tube. I'm not sure if it was killed off because of usability, windage, weight, or what.
I see pro's and cons to this. I like innovation and new things being tried though. Even if this isn't a great idea, it might spawn one from it's less than stellar performance. Or it might be the cat's butt. I don't know It's interesting.
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#277203 01/23/15 09:45 AM 01/23/15 09:45 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I guess results may vary on that. I've had to park out and wrap a bungee around the bag to keep the spinnaker from being washed out the back on an early SNU because the water was so rough. That was on Lake Superior, and the only time I'd had to do that. It's pretty common for my bag to have water sitting in it when I pull the spinnaker out on the beach though. A spinnaker in good racing shape, the fabric won't hold any water. It goes up, and one flap or shudder later it's dry. That doesn't mean it doesn't carry water when its wrinkled up in a tube or bag though.
Rich posted this on Facebook and I commented on it. I see dousing on port as being very difficult. I'm not sure how wise it is to have the retrieval point behind the bridle and forestay either. The other thing is Marstrom played with, and I think some of the early Hobie Tigers came with a composite tube. I'm not sure if it was killed off because of usability, windage, weight, or what.
I see pro's and cons to this. I like innovation and new things being tried though. Even if this isn't a great idea, it might spawn one from it's less than stellar performance. Or it might be the cat's butt. I don't know It's interesting. To keep the spinnaker from coming out the back of the bag, cross the back of the bag opening with a piece of webbing with a grommet in the middle. Run your snuffer line through that grommet. It will keep from escaping out the back of the bag and keep you from pulling it too far.
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#277204 01/23/15 09:58 AM 01/23/15 09:58 AM |
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | I don't have that snuffer or boat anymore. It was an early snu on my FXone. Yeah, that would've fixed it.
I'm boatless.
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#277208 01/23/15 11:04 AM 01/23/15 11:04 AM | MN3
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Unregistered | It's pretty common for my bag to have water sitting in it when I pull the spinnaker out on the beach though. for sure, i get plenty of "run-off" in the belly of my bag, i was just saying that I can see lots of water being sprayed or jammed up that hull tube, where as i don't see any getting in the front of my snuffer ring. | | | Re: New snuffer idea.
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#277251 01/25/15 02:48 PM 01/25/15 02:48 PM |
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Posts: 586 Hobart, Tasmania, Oz. | In the end a good try but not successful with the main issue water filling the kite and not being able to hoist the spinnaker in a timely manner. both boat used conventional snuffers during the series.
Last day of the Oz national series, Jason Waterhouse and Brett Goodall appear to have a commanding lead though Brett Burville on the windrush edge is a few points behind. 20 knots forecast for today which will favor the Windrush.
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#277265 01/26/15 10:39 AM 01/26/15 10:39 AM | MN3
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Unregistered | Neat! thanks for the updates In the end a good try but not successful with the main issue water filling the kite and not being able to hoist the spinnaker in a timely manner. both boat used conventional snuffers during the series.
Last day of the Oz national series, Jason Waterhouse and Brett Goodall appear to have a commanding lead though Brett Burville on the windrush edge is a few points behind. 20 knots forecast for today which will favor the Windrush. | | |
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