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#278359 04/13/15 02:30 AM 04/13/15 02:30 AM |
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Posts: 524 Petten Netherlands | Indeed, amazing.
But I doubt if the balance is correct. The hulls tend to lean a bit forward. Pitchpoling!
(and the crew look like a group posh chickens)
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hey boy, what did you do over there, alone far out at sea?.. "huh....., that's the only place where I'm happy, sir.
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#278361 04/13/15 08:01 AM 04/13/15 08:01 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Indeed, amazing.
But I doubt if the balance is correct. The hulls tend to lean a bit forward. Pitchpoling!
(and the crew look like a group posh chickens) I can vouch that at least some of the crew are quite experienced sailors and foilers. This is not a low budget or corner-cutting operation. I agree, though, it did seem a little bow-down for a lot of that video but it seemed to slice through the waves while staying on foil. I think your impression of the people was one they were actively trying to portray (perhaps with a little "tongue in cheek")...a relaxed foiling experience....whether that's reality or not, I guess time will tell.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: Gunboat G4 Foiling cabin boat
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#278363 04/13/15 09:22 AM 04/13/15 09:22 AM |
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Posts: 1,121 Eastern NC, USA | I like how they cut in scenes at anchor in the midst of the foiling scenes. Makes it seem rather posh to go foiling.
Beautiful boat and quite the foiler.
Tom | | | Re: Gunboat G4 Foiling cabin boat
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#278364 04/13/15 09:37 AM 04/13/15 09:37 AM |
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | Indeed, amazing.
But I doubt if the balance is correct. The hulls tend to lean a bit forward. Pitchpoling!
(and the crew look like a group posh chickens) I can vouch that at least some of the crew are quite experienced sailors and foilers. This is not a low budget or corner-cutting operation. I agree, though, it did seem a little bow-down for a lot of that video but it seemed to slice through the waves while staying on foil. I think your impression of the people was one they were actively trying to portray (perhaps with a little "tongue in cheek")...a relaxed foiling experience....whether that's reality or not, I guess time will tell. The daggerboard wells have three separate fore-aft adjustable positions 31cm apart. They're using this one as the "test" to figure out the best position. | | | Re: Gunboat G4 Foiling cabin boat
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#278369 04/13/15 01:50 PM 04/13/15 01:50 PM |
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Posts: 2,584 +31NL | Indeed, amazing.
But I doubt if the balance is correct. The hulls tend to lean a bit forward. Pitchpoling!
(and the crew look like a group posh chickens) I think it might look more bow down than it actually is due to the "fat" stern though. | | | Re: Gunboat G4 Foiling cabin boat
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#278371 04/13/15 04:15 PM 04/13/15 04:15 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | In my experience, foiling a little bow down is more stable than foiling a little bow up. As the boat lifts in that attitude, it doesn't build towards increasing lift and spiraling up until crashing down. Oracle's AC72 often was a little bow down as well.
This is different from "foiling" with C boards in foil assist configurations where you want the bow up all the time and the sterns still planted in the water.
Maybe they want perfectly level flight, but I think they looked very good and very in control, something everyone will want and need when sailing a 3 ton, 40 foot cat.
Bingo!
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The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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#278450 04/18/15 07:13 PM 04/18/15 07:13 PM |
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Yeahbut..think of the sunsets1 Insurance rates for foiling cruising cats just tripled
Philip USA #1006 | | | Re: Gunboat G4 Foiling cabin boat
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#278453 04/18/15 09:06 PM 04/18/15 09:06 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | If you're on the cutting edge , ya might get cut. It's righted and back at the dock. Nice to see that they were pushing it hard enough for that to happen.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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Posts: 524 Petten Netherlands | That shows exactly my point which I made earlier. This Gunboat is nothing more than an overdressed sports-catamaran. And like each sport catamaran, it can flip and it can pitchpole. And when that happens it's a super-heavy unmanageable cat. The original promo video, showing lounging white dressed yups drinking champagne during sailing, is foolish. They had no lifevests on, so they were all lucky to survive soaked on their capsized dreamboat. This forum is fooled by this Gunboat mirage.
ronald RAIDER-15 (homebuilt)
hey boy, what did you do over there, alone far out at sea?.. "huh....., that's the only place where I'm happy, sir.
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#278462 04/19/15 04:34 AM 04/19/15 04:34 AM |
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Posts: 976 France | It's apparently exactly the same failure mode as Paprec Virbac, the classical Extreme 40 capsizes, or the big off Team NZ got at the last america's cup: You can't dump an hydraulic mainsheet instantly. I expect the G4 will be equipped with a tilt sensor linked to an instant mainsheet release of some sort in a very near future. | | | Re: Gunboat G4 Foiling cabin boat
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#278471 04/19/15 05:39 PM 04/19/15 05:39 PM |
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Posts: 2,490 On the Water | Agreed. You would think the helm had enough experience to not head up. Hard to tell in the video but it looks like he might have loaded up the lee rudder and lost authority due to ventilation. I would wager we'll see second generation rudders with a bigger winglet and more chord.
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