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A weighty problem #56131
08/28/05 03:57 PM
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Newboy1750 Offline OP
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Hi everyone,

I had my first experience of sailing a catamaran today, on a resevoir in sunny England. My friend who owns the Cat is looking to invite a mutual friend, here is the problem.

The Cat is a Mystere, the friend weighs 23 stones, is he too heavy to crew?

I wouldn't think so, but returning to the top, I'm a novice. Any ideas?

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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Newboy1750] #56132
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Mystere makes several different catamarans - what model is it?(4.3, Twister, 6.0, etc.)

23 stone (322 lbs) from one person is a bit much for performance on any two person catamaran although most can sail with the weight. (can someone make sure I converted that properly?).


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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Jake] #56133
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322 is correct. What about the forces on the trapwire?
Yikes!


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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Newboy1750] #56134
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sunny England


What?


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Re: A weighty problem [Re: bullswan] #56135
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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Timbo] #56136
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Could it perhaps be that town named "England" in the Bahamas????

Re: A weighty problem [Re: Darryl_Barrett] #56137
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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Newboy1750] #56138
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The Cat is a Mystere, the friend weighs 23 stones, is he too heavy to crew?



Get out of the stone-age and get with the SI unit program (Kilograms etc)

Wouter


(The guy is 142 kg ?!!)


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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Wouter] #56139
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wouter,

theres a guy in FL that sails his N20 solo. He makes min crew weight by himself.

Re: A weighty problem [Re: MauganN20] #56140
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That would be "SMITTY"


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Yeah heard of that guy [Re: catman] #56141
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Yeah heard of that guy

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Re: Yeah heard of that guy [Re: Wouter] #56142
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I think he may have pulled out one in the win column at the last bouy regatta (light air). I don't know about you, but there are WAY to many lines to play with for one person on that boat! Maybe if you had an autopilot and spin cleats...


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Re: Yeah heard of that guy [Re: waterbug_wpb] #56143
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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Jake] #56144
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Jake,

I suspect that this Mystere is a 1970's 16ft that was a contemporary of the Condor, Hydra and early Dart 18's. In answer I would say that a boat of that age is unlikely to be happy with 145Kgs plus, say another, 70Kgs for the helm. I also doubt that the trap wire could be guaranteed to take that weight and anyway - where do you get a harness in XXL?


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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Jalani] #56145
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Are Dart 18's fast boats?

The Phepps cat sailing book using them. I've always been curious...

Re: A weighty problem [Re: utahsailor] #56146
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Darts are a little slower then Hobie 16's. However.. If it blows like stink... you want a Dart. They were designed for breeze. Great simple boats... still love my 87!

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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Mark Schneider] #56147
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Slower than a Hobie 16? That's pretty slow! We have 14' cats that are faster than Hobie 16's, and almost every 16' cat with centre boards races faster than a H16.

Re: A weighty problem [Re: Darryl_Barrett] #56148
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That's crap Darryl and you know it! If you want to play that game, I have seen Hobie 16s go faster than A-Class. www.lcsc.org.au (allboats regatta results)
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Re: A weighty problem [Re: malgray] #56149
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That's right the H16's the fastest boat in the world!


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Re: A weighty problem [Re: Buccaneer] #56150
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I second the dart being a great boat.
Not going to take line honours in an open fleet but in a good blow, they are a blast. Besides, they are a great one-desing so speed is only relative to other darts!


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