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06/28/06 03:25 AM 06/28/06 03:25 AM |
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Guys,
I'm getting nervous. I need to make a decision of "go-no go" in a short time frame and I see no news on the container front and event front. Airplane tickets are being sold very rapidly right now and not much are left.
How is the UK container getting on ?
How is the Aus container getting on ?
How is the event getting on ? How many crews are seriously expected to come ?
Can we get any help from the Singapore organising committee in the way of container shipping. Payment or even sponsoring from a shipper. It appears that alot of shippers don't want the hassle of our shipments.
I'm not asking about the US and EU container as as far as I know nothing major is done on those fronts and I'm certainly NOT going to organise the EU container. I think I did enough over the last 5 years, this project is for somebody else to do.
I don't want to stir the pot here but Travel plans need to be finalized 6 months in advance at the minimum or else you guys risk a whole lot cancellations. You just can't organise a shipment and travel in a shorter timeframe than that.
Wouter
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06/28/06 03:53 AM 06/28/06 03:53 AM |
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Essex, UK | On the Uk arrangements I've so far drawn 3 blanks. Currently working on two further lines of enquiry.
3 No Go's: Swire UK, M.O.L, K-Line
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06/28/06 02:09 PM 06/28/06 02:09 PM |
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Netherlands | Sorry Guys,
I will not go to Singapore in Feb 2007. Main reason is that the event is at least one year to early for me. I prefer to do some more sailing and racing before joining " The Challenge".
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Frank
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Eastern NC, USA | I'll have to go on record as not being able to make it, either. No lame excuses, just can't afford it (in more ways than one).
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06/28/06 05:45 PM 06/28/06 05:45 PM |
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| I'll have to go on record as not being able to make it, either. No lame excuses, just can't afford it (in more ways than one). Great! You'll be able to make "Tradewinds" <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> | | | Re: F16 Singapore Challenge Feb 2007
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St Petersburg FL | I'll have to go on record as not being able to make it, either. No lame excuses, just can't afford it (in more ways than one). Great! You'll be able to make "Tradewinds" <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ahhaha Tradewinds! Anyone want to meet up a few days early? Pack some drysuits, cause the wind chill factor dips into the 40's <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> | | | Re: F16 Singapore Challenge Feb 2007
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06/29/06 05:25 AM 06/29/06 05:25 AM |
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My situation is as follows.
My crew decided to not do this event. So for the moment I'm solo and therefor expect to pay the whole shabang of transport. This puts me very tight in the budget department. I'm not going to commit before I got a firm quote on the final costs of shipping.
Another option is to hook up with somebody else on his or her boat, but honestly I want that skipper to be of reasonable sailing quality. I'm not looking forward too much to doing 15-20 knots winds in a 30 boat racing fleet with an inexperienced skipper. Sorry.
I will also welcome hooking up with a spitfire crew if any of those need a crew.
I have an option on a room at the yachtclub that is for two persons, since my crew cancelled I have a vacancy there.
But the window of decision is rapidly closing on me. Because of budget requirements and planning requirements on the upcoming academic year I need to decide relatively soon.
Also I don't want to come out and find that only a handful of others have come too.
The Australians appear to be very serious about shipping a container over; I know some personally who are very seriously considering it. I feel we should at least get one European container over to match these guys.
Hans, I'm sorry but I can't commit at this time, however I may when I know the final quote's and they fall inside my budget.
Wouter
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| Hi all,
OZ is realy in the same boat, we need full details of the event before we can make commitments. Has anybody heard anything concrete?
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07/03/06 05:14 AM 07/03/06 05:14 AM |
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I just heard that to ship a boat to the Aussie F18 world championships costs 1000 Euro's.
THAT my dear friends is too expensive for me as I'm looking also at a 800-1000 Euro plane ticket and probably some 500 lodging and food.
My regular crew just said :"No thank you" and it is too late now to train another crew to the required level. My season ends in 3 months time. Probably sooner if the weather turns foul quickly in september.
So I'm now looking at going solo or not at all.
Has anyone contacted the Singapore guys and informed them of our concerns ?
Hans have you ?
Wouter
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07/20/06 09:11 AM 07/20/06 09:11 AM |
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Essex, UK | This reply just received from Peters & May: John, Thank you for your enquiry to ship 1 x 40ft GP Container ex Peters and May yard to quay Singapore. We now have the pleasure to offer shipping based on the following dimensions. We hope the following information is of help. SHIPPING QUOTATION FROM: Peters and May Yard TO: Quay Singapore Please note that any variations in these dimensions may result in additional charges. We would recommend you check measure the overall shipping dimensions to include trailers, cradles, outdrives, pulpits etc FREIGHT: £ 1500.00 GBP Additional costs if required: Marine transit insurance @ 0.35 the insured value (minimum premium GBP150) with a 0.5% excess (Min £2500.00) Please note marine insurance excludes denting, scratching, VHF, Stereo cover. Discharge, Customs Clearance and Documentation: In order to arrange Marine Cargo Insurance we will require written instructions, stating value of cover required together with the name of the assured party to be shown on the insurance certificate. All prices are based on today’s rates and are subject to our standard trading conditions, together with those of the carrying companies. We hope that the above is of help and interest and look forward to hearing from you. Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require any further information. Many thanks and best regards James James Jackson i www.petersandmay.comš jamesjackson@petersandmay.com He comments further:
John,
Please find below a quote to ship 1 x 40ft GP container ex Peters and May yard to Singapore. The rate includes lifting of the container to ground in UK to allow easier access for the boats and sea freight to Singapore (this is what we have done for 420's and 505's). The rates over there are very cheap at the moment however coming back is a different story. I should have some rates for coming back in the next few days.
The price below is only unto quay, you will have to pay for clearance and delivery of the containers in Singapore. I will try to get these prices along with the ocean freight above. Where is the sailing being held (what yacht club?)
Regards,
James
Admittedly this is one-way, but if the total outlay for shipping & insurance was in the region of £5,000 return and this were split between 10 boats, the trip becomes more attractive?
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Be very careful about additional costs often these are more then the shipping fee they quote.
I know this from experience.
Wouter
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07/20/06 12:34 PM 07/20/06 12:34 PM |
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I'm sorry to inform everyone that I won't be going to the Singapore challenge.
I can't make the ends meet.
I wish all the other teams the best of enjoyment and succes.
Wouter
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07/21/06 04:11 AM 07/21/06 04:11 AM |
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Essex, UK | OK, I've now got the return shipping cost - £3085. More than double the outbound <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
This makes a total of £4585 plus insurance, plus clearance at each end, plus transport to/from Changi S C from the container port.
I'm now guesstimating around £6,000. So who's still likely to be in? With 10 boats I think it works. More is a bonus. We could get up to 20 boats in a container with a bit of creativity. With less than 10 it doesn't look particularly attractive does it?
We need some quickish decisions people, sorry!
John Alani
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Essex, UK | I think that Hans has been in touch with Singapore to see about subsidies, but I haven't heard the outcome.
You're right about our near-continent colleagues as well - I would guess that they're looking at a couple of hundred pounds on the ferry? They could defray their costs I suppose by bringing a two-up or even three-up trailer - (one boat complete and two dismantled boats on top). Hell, if they can find a suitable trailer, they could probably bring 4 dismantled boats behind the one vehicle. But whichever way you look at it, it's going to be difficult to get 10 boats to ship from the UK.
What about you US guys? Anything happening on your side of the Pond?
John Alani
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Essex, UK | Bump.
Guys, can I get some feedback on this please?
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