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Re: Area D South! [Re: John Williams] #87793
11/02/06 07:15 PM
11/02/06 07:15 PM
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JW, Add me to the list. I sent in registration fees couple of weeks ago.

Looks to be breezy!

Olli

Last edited by F18OxJ; 11/02/06 07:21 PM.
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Re: Area D South! [Re: F18OxJ] #87794
11/02/06 07:34 PM
11/02/06 07:34 PM
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Long Beach, California
John Williams Offline OP
Carpal Tunnel
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Updated. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

ps - I'm sticking around in St. Pete for the week - you and Kelly want to sail some?


John Williams

- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: Area D South! [Re: John Williams] #87795
11/02/06 07:36 PM
11/02/06 07:36 PM
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Yeah, that would be awesome!

Re: Area D South! [Re: F18OxJ] #87796
11/02/06 08:19 PM
11/02/06 08:19 PM
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Syracuse, NY Hobie Fleet 204
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Tom Korz Offline
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Get me a 16 & I'll be there!!!!!

Last edited by Tom Korz; 11/02/06 08:19 PM.
Re: Area D South! [Re: John Williams] #87797
11/03/06 08:07 PM
11/03/06 08:07 PM
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2017 F18 Americas Site
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Wow a 16 is my newest pick for the over 20. I think the Formula 18 has been taking quite a hit ratings-wise for the last couple of years with all the hot shots sailing them. I think the 16 rating will never change. I did not even know there was enough racing done by a Marstrom 20 to have rating...mmm.

Here is the weird part while you are on one of the "faster boats" against a Hobie 16 in more than 17 knots of breeze, Beauford 5 and up. Let's say you finishe the course in 30 minutes and you are on a Formula 18. Further, this course is three times around with a downwind finish. Seems short, huh, but it happens all the time. Now a Formula 18 is about 2 times faster downwind as upwind so each one of your weather legs are 7 minutes and downwinds about 3 1/2 minutes. You have also set or doused your chute 5 times. Then there is a Hobie 16 plunking along who gets an extra 6 minutes 20 seconds to finish this 30 minute race. Considering that the 16 is about the 1/3 faster downwind as they are upwind. We will call it 7.5 minutes up and 5 minutes down. For a course that is three laps they are not even at the weather mark when you finish. If this 30 minute race is 2 laps then they are just barely past the weather mark. This is one of the reasons that the courses are so short. In reality the good 16 sailors are sailing almost boat for boat, in these conditions, against the middle of the spinnaker fleet.

Three minute downwind legs, in a breeze, do not favor spinnaker boats in handicap racing.

Just some thoughts,
Dan

Re: Area D South! [Re: Dan_Delave] #87798
11/03/06 08:42 PM
11/03/06 08:42 PM
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North-West Europe
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I'm going to be my charming self again, BUT ....

Any race officer setting 30 min courses consisting of 3 laps or more in these conditions and at events of this level of importance needs to get his license removed.


Wouter Hijink
Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild)
The Netherlands
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