I am rebuilding the original 4-way jib system on my P19. After looking at the bungee and line setup, I thought about the possibility of reversing the controls. Originally, it seems the line leading to the block pulls the block out to the side of the boat; opening the slot between jib and main, in effect easing this "jib traveler." To me, it seems more intuitive to center the "traveler" and close the slot when you pull the line. Why not set it up so when you pull the line it closes the slot instead? Has anyone else tried this?

The jib sheet blocks are naturally pulled inboard by the tension. The bungee simply serves to pull the leads inboard further in lighter air when the lead adjuster is eased.

Anybody ever remove that damn cable and replace it wih a few winds of Spectra? I have heard of doing this, but still wonder just how well it really works. It sounds a whole lot more confortable for the crew. Comments appreciated.

I did. It works great, and yeah, it sure is easier on the crew. I know of at least one other person that has done it too. I think it's 1/8", doubled. I centered it on one of the shackles and used a fid to lead it back and forth thru itself at roughly 8" intervals, then brummel-spliced loops in both bitter ends and attached to the other shackle. It's worked out great so far.



sail fast

We used to have this sytem on Taipan 4.9s.

We found the jib didn't need much adjusting if any. Only when you change mast rake.

So chucked the whole lot away and put a couple of eyelets in the tramp for adjustment.

Much better setup.

Dennis,



I'm not sure the other poster's were completely clear. The way you want to do the jib will not work. You must run the line out to the edge and put the bungee in the middle in order for the system to work.



There are many other systems out there. I've seen people replace the wire with spectra but it does stretch and has to be retightened once in a while. Spectra also will wear through where it is tied but you can see it wearing and replace accordingly.



Keep One Hull Flying,

Mike Hill

H20 #791

Randy Smyth has a tramp design for use on his MX rig. They use the tornado style loops in the tramp with a snap shackle for adjusting the jib lead positions. I raced on Harry Murphy's MX and the boat is actually user friendly without the cheese cutter.



If you need a new tramp... I would certainly go for it.

Paul,

About a year ago I converted my Nacra 6.0 na over to a trampoline sheeting system. I reinfourced the trampoline and put in a series of grommets in the tramp. I run spectra core loops of 3/16 line through the grommets and use a wichard lifeline shackle (the smallest one they make) to attatch the blocks. The system works great and makes the boat much more user(crew) friendly. so far the tramp has handled the load without a problem.



The only downside is that you can't adjust the burdened side under load.



Before you put in the grommets, check your jibs carefully. elliot P sail quality sucks. I have 3 jibs that vary by as much as 1 1/2 inches of length on the foot. This changes the jib lead position.



Eric Anderson

Thanks, all.

I currently have the tramp jib block attachments. It works well, and I don't really like the 4-way. However, I also like to be able to use everything the boat came with. The jib blocks are now set up with Wichard spring hooks to attach either to the spectra loops on the tramp, or to the blocks on the 4-way. The entire 4-way; cable, lines, blocks, cleats, snorkle, and travelers, all slide out of the track and can be set aside. The 4-way is now laced as original except that the v-cleats were replaced with cam cleats that sit on the same plate as everything else. With the 4-way removed, there is very little to hurt yourself on. It's nice to have all the options open. I'll post a picture when the tramp is back on.

Hey Dennis, Check your email. I don't have your home address to ship you back your tramp.

Jonathan Grant

Mesa, AZ

P19 (292)

Can anyone recommend someone to update my tramp for the ability to attach the jib blocks directly? Including having some knowledge of where to put the attachments? I also want to get the threads re-sewn. They are starting to deteriorate. (10 years old - mostly under a cover)



I like Dennis's option to be able to use the 4 way for more serious racing if you need it, or to remove for more casual sailing. My casual sailing crew (wife) would really appreciate it.

I don't know where you are or whether your tramp is easily re-sewn or adaptable to the jib attachments. I can say that the poster above, Jonathon Grant, does really great work on new tramps. I designed mine for the jib attachments using grommets to run spectra in tight loops across the places the 4-way had the best luff. You're right that there's a big variation in jibs. I have two, and one is just too short to work well on the boundaries of the attachments, while the other is perfect. Jonathon sewed in reinforcing material and then punched in the grommets. I know he worked hard on it, and it's holding up well. He has it now because the fireworks on the beach in Mexico ate holes in it. He usually just builds new tramps...

I'm using 3/16 vectran on my mystere 6.0 in place of the wire. I've had it on there for a year and the boat is sailed almost every weekend with no problems.