VWM was just one example of the many I could have chosen.

AHPC build over 320 Taipan 4.9's weighting in at 102 (without spi gear) and championship are still being won by 10-15 year old boats. No problems beaching these or sitting on them.

Prindle 16's have been produced at less weight then these so called modern boats for about 30 years (actually used that as an example).

Of course there are reasons why these builders could where others couldn't. Yes indeed, having the boss walking on the production floor does motivate workers into making better quality products. That is not the thing that is amazing.

The truly amazing thing in this thread is that despite considerable evidence to the contrary, some people still rationalize their boats obesity as having something to do with quality or dependability.

Now I'm not against the F18 being 180 kg or anything, I'm only against guys like Bob and Jake who make it appear that lighter boats are somehow "less" because they are not 180 kg's.

Wouter