I call bullsmoke ! Anyone can join the Hobie Class Association. Boat ownership is not required
2. F18 sailors must pay an insurance premium ($15 to be paid to the HCA) at each regatta to allow F18 sailors to be covered by the HCA’s insurance policy. No weekend memberships. Or have a non-voting membership category for those members that do not own Hobies. Tiger and Wildcat owners should join the HCA. If most do not join then the HCA does not need to have F18’s at its regattas. Non-Hobie owners should not be voting members of the HCA.
I also have a problem with joining a class where my vote is irrelevant. I have this thing about a democratic process.
Mark, for someone who is not a member, you spend an awful lot of time throwing stones at the HCA and offering opinions about how they ought to be running their organization.
Commenting on the Hobie Policy...
of we tried to do the right thing but "SOMEBODY" Really... I mean it... no bad guys here ... some well meaning person stopped us.... So give us credit for trying.... we have rules we must followI had let the issue drop.... UNTIL this public shot towards the sailors of the IWCA class who did not go to your regatta.
To me, staying home just says, "If I can't have it my way all the time, I'm not playing." That is very a pre-adolescent attitude, and is very hurtful in the long run. You'd get a lot more respect if you showed up and demonstrated through your actions that you're serious about making it work in the future. To me, that's not "giving in," it's making an effort to help the thing evolve.
You guys deserve being called out for that shot!
I then asked what happened to the F18 proposal...because I was told it was tabled.
... Hobie18rich wrote:
For the F-18 / Wildcat / Tiger argument we had long discussions on this issue. We as Division 3 had 5 Tigers at Havamega and talked as a group. All 5 voted to allow the Wildcat ,and 3 voted to allow other F-18's. Our input was given to our division rep and then on to Chris. Chris told us there was going to be a large meeting / conference call to address more of the class as a whole.
So while it was tabled at the AGM it is not done. Chris wanted a more comprehensive group of the Tiger fleet. This was mainly a West Coast Championship so we wanted to wait till the east coast contingent weighed in. Chris took everything we had to input and listened well to our concerns and wishes. While there may not be a solution that appeases everyone yet I feel one may be coming.
Why bring F18's up?... because the process for letting the F18's race at Hobie regattas should be about the same as letting the IWCA waves race at Hobie regattas.
So without resolving this similar question...after the cluster called IWCA Waves at Havamega. .. don't you think it's a arrogant to ask the IWCA Waves to show up in 2010... especially when you don't bring up the core issue at your annual meeting?
You'd get a lot more respect if you showed up and demonstrated through your actions that you're serious about making it work in the future..... and .... Having said all of that, Rick's last post does show that we may be headed in the right direction, let's see how 2010 shakes out. But, unless the planning and discussion starts now, I wouldn't be expecting a different outcome.
ding ding ding. RIGHT...
unless planning and discussion starts now to invite IWCA Waves to Hobie Class events ... (perhaps at the annual meeting)...
and the IWCA organization decides to put these new Hobie events on their schedule and also promises to support them.
BUT Rich said....
Show up at one of my regattas with an aftermarket sail and we would let you run, but knowing if your competetors protest you will take the hit.
Hmmm... the ball seems to be in the NAHCA's court. (unless you think its a good policy to invite them and promise nobody will protest them).
Will you modify your rules and invite IWCA Waves to Hobie Regattas?...
Will you modify your rules and allow the F18's to race at Hobie regattas?
For 2010?
Will those two classes care to come out and play?
I beleive you wrote
Looking Forward
We here in Division 5 are looking forward to new guidelines from the Class Association that would enable us to participate in more local events and still be able to count results in the National Points Ranking system. Failure to adjust the current policies bodes poorly for the health of Hobie Cat Sailing here in Division 5
The partnership between a class and a yacht club is critical and the Hobie class's need some flexibility.
Keep in mind about the Wave and F18 invites. ... the key word is INVITE....The invited class might be over scheduled or not interested in the event and just not show or commit to coming...
Presumably, you know that the IWCA waves and the F18's WILL agree to come to some of your Hobie regattas.... or the whole effort is a waste of time. Right now the partnership thing between the NAHCA Yacht Club monopoly and the IWCA and the F18 classes is a little weak.
(Hell John Williams is saying that the F18's Class association could care less about the Hobie F18 policy)
But... if you don't get your house in order... for ****'s sake... don't whack the IWCA Waves for not coming to the havamega or 2010 events moving forward especially after all of the upset.
