Pat's simply saying that if you guys want to achieve a goal, figure out what goal it is because you're all over the place. I didn't read one line of Hobie-centrism in any of Pat's posts - only advise that's used in the majority of any kind of product development. If you guys are just having fun coming up with something, that's one thing...but this project was started under the premise that youth sailing on catamarans, particularly outside of the tight-knit sailing community, is largely non-existent and you wanted to do something about it. HOW are you doing something about it? HOW does this boat apply? HOW should it be designed to meet that goal? so on and so forth. Without some sort of unanimous direction this will end up with a 10 boat rotting fleet...not that there's anything wrong with that if that is all you are after.