A headsail like a spinnaker or a hooter would not be included as a comparable factor, since none of the other suggested youth boats have included that, either, in price estimates.
That is technically correct. The F12 (as I see it) won't have either a spi or hooter sail and as such we can included the cost price of it in the Wave purchase.
But interesting enough the F12, without a spi or hooter, could be just as fast as the most heavily upgraded Wave. So from an "equality in performance" perspective one could indeed argue that the cost price of the hooter setup should be included in the wave price.
Plus, you don't have the investment of all those hours of boat-building (for those who even are capable of doing that or willing to do that).
I'm still leaving a large pathway open to commerical production of the F12. So I don't think it to be prudent to qualify the F12 as being a pure home-build.
... as well as being manageable by even the very young kids in suitable wind situations. ...
Well yes, otherwise the conditions wouldn't be called SUITABLE, would it ?
The classic Wave can be car-topped ...
I think Flatlander has a thing or two to say about this.
Additionally Mary, I recall you being sceptical about the shorter and much lighter F12'10" ability to be cartopped. How can that be when you think the Wave is cartoppable. This strikes me as illogical.
The boat is durable enough to survive generations of kids running into docks. It normally doesn't do damage if it runs into an anchored boat.
There is some private e-mailing going on behind the public discussion of these boats and this "running boats into the docks" thing has got the questionable honour of being the humoristic element in the communications.
Apparently this is a big thing in the USA as none of the NON-US based youth initiatives report any kind of this behaviour, not even accidentally.
May I say that this appears to be alot more like an advertising gimmick explaining the use of the otherwise inferiour rotomoulded polyethyleen then a real necessity ?
And I do stress that I did my background research on this particular aspect of the Wave design.
No question that it is almost the perfect boat for children. Plus it can be upgraded with more sailpower as the kids get older.
I'm sure everybody knows all this.
Yes, at least I do.
Still a few things surprise me here. You say it is the perfect boat for children, but you strongly against the F12 being comparable in length, sailarea and even performance. F12 at 3000 US$ is far too expensive but the Wave at (verified) 4295 US$ isn't ? You like the fact that the Wave allows larger kids and the whole family to sail it, but you are pretty much against the F12 having the same capabilities as that would make it unsuitable for the children.
I'm a little bit lost here. You can't adhere to both lines of thought simultaniously as they are in direct conflict with eachother.
So which one of the two is correct conviction that you hold ?
The next quote underscores my confusion.
HOWEVER, that is not what most people are talking about in terms of the "Formula 12." I believe we are talking about a boat that is home-buildable and is small enough and light enough to be easily car-topped intact or taken to the beach on top of the family's larger cat and can be carried from car to beach by the kids.
Wouter
